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philthyinc

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i will take measurements of the wing part and its numbers also the prop measurements from end to end......54" and the center is a 4" diameter 7/8" counter bore.I really appreciate all the help and interest..this is a lot of fun for myself and my family ,So today i had gotten a hold of my grandfathers CUZZIN and he told me that when he was little he was a bit younger than my grandpa he had seen the p-39 crashes the first one flew right over his house it was really low he says also he has pics that may never been seen before not too shure yet but when he gets them to me i will post them and they are dated .They both lived in the area my grandfather tomaso on evergreen who's father mike owned a coal and wood store on bottom of the house  and his friend albert and stanley on irvington st witch was not to far from were he seen the second plane crash into the house.they knew the people in the house he told me luckily they were not home at the time. so with that said sorry to hold everyone up but as soon as i get more info i will definitely share thank you all..
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question for chris b. in relation to your question would the prop have that counter bore on the one side and a smaller hole on the other for a thru-bolt to hold the prop on just curious thanks
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Prop appears to have a metal plug of some kind in it.  My guess would be the red part we're seeing is where it bolted to the engine flange.  It was definitely a low power prop as it appears to be made out of a single piece of wood as opposed to multiple laminations of a higher horsepower prop.  As to the "plug" and smaller hole, I've seen a few low powered aircraft with small spinners attached over the center of the prop - often attached by a single long bolt of small diameter.
  54" is a small diameter for a vintage aircraft prop.  Moost "old school" aircraft would have had around a 6 foot prop, maybe bigger - slow turning engines, big props.  The 54" ruled out another possibility I was going to research - A homebuilt Pietenpol Air Camper.  This was a 1930s design and most were powered by Model A Ford engines turning a 6' prop.  Many "modern" VW conversions use from 52" to 60" depending on power and application.  I doubt this is a VW prop because of the center hole diameter (usually closer to 2" for the flange hub)  Dennis

 

philthyinc

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well its hard to say cause its definatly been varnished but it looks like its laminated hard to say but I'm afraid to strip it and find out lol
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I for sure would like to see the photos of the P-39 crash on Alexander Avenue. My son and I have extensively researched the double crash that happened on December 5th, 1943. And if you'd be ok with it, with proper credit, maybe you'd let me submit copies to the Daly City Historical Guild? They're actually putting a display together based upon the research my son and I did on these crashes. I already wrote an article for their newsletter about the incident that was published earlier this year.

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I remember my father telling me about a blimp that crashed in Daly city when he was a kid it wasn't far from school Street. They lived there during the war.
This accounts for the pusher prop.  

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I don't think it's an airship, spruce wing rib doesn't match fins for Navy blimps (also metal props).

Funny, I already checked it for airship or drone.   Airboat seems to have more of a paddle prop but not always.  Also, metal-tipped.
Dennis will sort it!   I know near nothing compared to Dennis on rag & tubes. .   [confused]

I cant find a match at all.  Radioplane drone prop looks good (6 bolt, small center bore) but the prop is much shorter.  

Agree with Dennis.  Very early engine, late-teens or early 20s.

3/4" shaft, rough, gotta be very early.  They fly ultra-lights with that now, but this is obviously much, much earlier.



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IIRC, the WWII vintage blimps had radial engines (much more horsepower than a 54" prop would eat).  The wing rib don't jibe with a blimp either.
While the wing rib seems different, the Curtiss Junior had a 45 HP engine (Szekely or something like that).  It also mentions the Junior as having 1 pilot and 2 passengers (figure that on 45 HP).  Last but not least, the Szekely was known for throwing one of it's 3 cylinders.
Now I have to ask: Is there any chance that some of these parts came from different planes?  Dennis
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ok so i was able to go over grandmas house and get the pics and measurements of the wing part

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philthyinc

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Also pics of my grandfathers home which belonged to his father mike who would have been my great grandfather! THAT HOUSE IS STILL THERE TODAY 

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philthyinc

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STILL WAITING ON THE PICS OF THE PLANE CRASH FROM GRANDFATHERS CUZZIN AS HE WAS 10 YEARS YOUNGER THAN MY GRANDFATHER SO AT THE TIME OF THE PLANE CRASH MY GRANFATHER WOULD HAVE BEEN OFF TO WAR  ..I THINK......DENNIS IM NOT TOO SHURE BUT I WILL TRY AND FIND OUT SORRY
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philthyinc

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ok well today i did some digging in my grandfathers stuff i didn't find anything related to his mysterious plane parts but i did find a binder of his when he was about 11or12 maybe well it says 1932 on the binder so thats what i think anyway enjoy the pics don't know what paper they are from or if anyone seen these but here goes

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The Texaco Sky Chief airplane plan sure looks like it could be the source of the artifacts.
It even has "22" in the serial number. The wing parts look like they could be a match too.
except it shows a three bladed prop. 
Is it possible the plans were for a man flyable aircraft? 
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philthyinc

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im not shure i was just looking in my grandfathers stuff fount this binder dated 1931 and that was inside there are more i just didn't post them seem like they came from an old paper or somthin
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here was some more

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