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ThunderPigC130

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  Found this up in delamar valley yesterday, VIC N37 25 W114 52.  Looks to me like it might be an air to ground rocket, or maybe a small artillery shell.  There were no numbers, letters or stamps on it anywhere that i saw.  However there were very thin marks on the sides that might have been rifling marks.

  For those not familiar with the area, the USAF uses it now and in the past for air to air training, and i am used to finding all kinds and types of flares, but after many years and many miles in this area have never found anything like this.

  To my knowledge neither the USAF, army or marines have ever used this area for live fire, which makes finding something like this all the more unusual.

  Any ideas what it is?

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Could it be a 37mm round from a P-39 or P-63?

M4 auto cannon.

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Hello Chris

  Nah, too small.  37MM is a little less than 1.5 inches.  If you look at the 3rd picture, this shell is around 3 inches across - 80MM or so. 

  But thanks for taking a "Shot" at it HA
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Perhaps a 75mm from an M4 cannon on a B-25G?
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Or a 90mm triple-A?
They would practice on towed targets...

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X Hunter:  75MM is probably close size wise, but would the projectile have been hollow on the bottom?

Chris:  Although this area is close to NTTR / Area 51, to my knowledge they have never done live fire of any kind here.  I have spent a LOT of time in this area and while i have found all kinds of flares, this is the first projectile i have found.  I have never found any dart parts or any other kind of towed targets in this area, so i have to think AAA unlikely.

  I used to build and launch model rockets as a kid (Anybody remember estes ??? HA) and if you look at picture 2, that kind of crust on the inside at the back looks like propellant residue to me.  I am starting to lean towards it being a rocket of some kind.

  One more pic attached.  There was a layer of aluminum (?) between two layers of cast iron.  If you look at the top of the artifact, there are two rusted layers of metal exploded outward and bent back, but in between you can see a lighter colored layer of metal.  Hope that helps us ID it.

 Thanks X / Chris.

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Nose section to a 2.75" FFAR?
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Hello Pete

  I think you might have got it!

  I sent these pics to a retired USAF EOD guy i met recently.  He said:

  "Pretty sure the rocket was a 2.75.  Hard telling what type".

  Nice to have an idea what it is, but guess we will never really get an answer to how it ended up there.

  Well, if its a rocket, the tube and fins (And maybe more of them!) have to be out there somewhere.  Stay tuned -

  Many thanks to all who contributed !
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