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DaveTrojan

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From Warbird Information Exchange

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10161774883775307&set=p.10161774883775307&type=3&theater&ifg=1

Nate Ingram wrote:
"In August 2018 I found the wreckage of a Curtiss P40E-1 that had crashed in 1942 here in Florida. Some of you knew about this and even helped me with various aspects of project.
In order to recover the airplane, I was forced to complete a long, arduous permitting process that required several other permits before I could even apply for the last permit. The process for the final permit took three months and I recieved it in late February.
Last Thursday I went to finally begin the process of prepping the plane for recovery. As we were getting our gear ready, I learned that someone had been at the lake where the this airplane had crashed. The unknown person(s) had surreptitiously recovered the wreckage of this plane as well as the wreckage for a Navy plane from the same area of water violating numerous state and federal laws. To say I was devastated would be an undertatement.
The worst part was that I had found the family of the pilot who was killed in the P40E-1. They were supportive of our project to recover the plane. Now, I had to send them an email telling them that it had been stolen. 
I share this information with you because I'm angry about the thefts. I'm sad because of the thousands of hours lost by me and my volunteers in our attempt to recover the airplane the right way. 
You see, we could have just gone and recovered it without permits but that's not the right way. I'm disgusted with the bureaucracy that cost us a chance at adding to our historical record with this airplane. 
To the family of Lt. Delos Leavenworth, my heartfelt apologies for reopening the past only to bring more bad news. Hopefully we will find out who stole it and we can get those answers we were trying to find for you."

Looking for more info about which wreck was stolen
and looking for who stole it..
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What Navy plane was scooped up?
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P-40E sn 41-36485 25 July 1942 out of Orlando AAF.

Don't know if it's this one as it is an old article:

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-2001-06-28-0106280010-story.html

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Oh, my my.  If you ever need a mess, head no further than Florida. First up: The Lake Louisa plane is a P-51 (or what was left of a P-51.  I can find my stories and give details.  https://www.theledger.com/article/LK/20060130/News/608149688/LL/   I haven't been there, but some of the parts are on display at a park over there.  It was a fatal, and a ground collision (IIRC).  Yes, low water levels from a drought did expose part of the plane.
The Orlando article shows how poorly some writers can be (or maybe purposely sensationalized and misleading ?)  I mean the article would make you think it was an ACTUAL one of the Flying Tigers' planes [rolleyes].
Now to P-40s (make my heart skip a beat).  I strongly suspect this IS (or was) a P-40E I was aware of.  Some "individual" from here (visitor?) contacted me a few years back about recovering a P-40 from a lake in Florida.  He was very secretive (and paranoid).  He was a bit upset when I identified the plane, pilot, and lake (hey, it's ME, it's Florida, it's a warbird, and IT'S A P-40!!!!!)  Sadly, all of his secrecy caused a misunderstanding between Bob W (Warbirder on here) and I.  Then the guy accuses me of selling out when he heard something about a P-40 being recovered from a Florida lake.  Meanwhile, this clown had no scruples about posting my information about a possible P-39 in another lake on a different website (whatever it is, it is most likely still in said lake).  Anyway, there may, or may not be the remains of a P-40E in a certain (not to be named) Florida lake. Here's a hint: early WWII, ground collision, fatal, the pilot was ejected, with the seat, when it hit the water.  The plane broke in about 3 pieces. 
Now politics: First (my opinion) if you find something KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. "Loose lips sink ships", and cause others to disappear  A complete (not intact, but all there) P-40N that was recovered back in the '80s (it's now being restored at the Curtiss Museum), well it was recovered, but the recoverer had to chase down and in many cases BUY the "souveiers" That the locals had removed because the "old timer" that told him about the plane, also told other folks.  It had been forgotten until the old guy came across Hal looking for airplane parts.  Again, most of us know to keep it secret.  Again MY OPINION.  If you are going to "recover" something, do it under the radar if at all possible.  The very laws that are SUPPOSED to protect antiquities, often mean the items end up going to "illegal" recovery or lost to natural causes.  More political do-gooder B.S.
I could say more, but it is an open forum.  If anyone is interested in "lost" Florida planes, contact me.

EDITED to add link to Lake Louisa Plane story - the REAL one
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It's Lake Dorr (Dora?).

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/102863

Only 2 other people on his team knew the GPS coordinates?
Maybe he was shadowed.

Or like you said Dennis, all the locals already knew about it.

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Seeing as how the cat is out of the bag (or is it "Kitty" is out of the lake), yeah, Dorr was the one I figured.  Again, as anybody here knows, the fewer that are in on things, the better.  I can tell you I have at least one suspect, but I will let that ride for now.  I wonder what his plans for the plane were?
Me, I'd like to see it fly.  Nothing like the sound of an Allison.
Dennis
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SO what are we talking about here? Was the P-40 wreck in a FRESH water lake? How deep is the lake? Was it relatively intact? Could it be restored to flight?  From what I have seen, after 75 years there is not much left. 
I too like P-40s, so if another one has been "saved" from the grave all the better. 
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Most Florida lakes are fresh water and might have an average depth of 15 to 20 feet.  The report said it hit the water immediately ejecting the pilot AND seat, and that it broke into 3 pieces.  Is it a candidate for a flyer?  Only time, effort, and money can tell that story.  The EAA has what they call a "Phoenix Award" at Oshkosh for aircraft that are restored from wrecks.  I'd really like to know more about this myself.  AFAIK, Lake Door really only has one public boat ramp.  SOMEBODY had to see something.  Dennis
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Pictures! I want to see Pictures!...

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Yeah, I think we ALL want to see pictures.  Actually, I want to see it fly.  From my snooping last night, Lake Dorr does have 2 boat ramps, both on the west side.  One is controlled (fee) by Forestry Department, so it probably didn't come out there.  The lake does have a section in the center that is 20 feet deep, with a few 21 foot spots.  The lake is highly stained by "tannic acid" from local trees, so I imagine there would be a lot of corrosion. 
One website claims the Navy had a target set up in the lake and "several" Navy planes went into the lake, but I would classify this as more of a B.S. site - the kind that claims the bottom of Tampa Bay is lined with planes.
What we need is for someone to reach out to this Nate guy.  I am not on facebook.  Dennis
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