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canyonair

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While flying a cargo Beech 18 from Yuma, AZ to Long Beach, CA in 2004, I found these two crash sites on the east slope of Mt. Laguna/Thing Mountain just east of San Diego. I believe one is the crash site of a Western Air Lines DC-3 and the other is that of an American Airlines DC-3. Both crashed during 1946 under similiar circumstances. The two sites are separated by only a mile. One site is marked by painted yellow X's on the boulders. Large pieces of wreckage were visible at both sites.

http://lostflights.smugmug.com/gallery/6660568_8Tb8t

http://lostflights.smugmug.com/gallery/6660604_pxsgb#438283785_AH2pS

I think this will be a good wreckchase as part of the challenge will not only be trying to determine if these are in fact DC-3's, but also which one is American Airlines and which one is Western Air Lines.

I am planning on a trip out there in a couple weeks to finally check them out. Curious if anyone has been to these two sites or knows of them?

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Mike I would be interested in going with you.  Just drove past there last night  from Tucson to Irvine.  There was a thread about them some months ago, and I remember something said about private land but I forget what the conclusion was.


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A quick thought. 

That area is pretty close to the Cuyapaipe reservation might want to check with them to figure out their borders. I have heard good things and bad things about accessing their land.

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Mike-
 That Beech 18 and you have found some interesting wrecks from the air lately. If you want the company I would be interested in going along. These should be interesting crashes.
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Mike, the DC-3 NC-45395 has been on my to do list for a couple of years. The main reason I haven’t done it was the area that it’s in. If you decided to go for it let me know, I might want to tag along. Here’s the info I have for getting permission to enter the area.

 

The land is owned by the Cuyapaipe Band of Mission Indians. No lone hikers are allowed, and group leaders must call or write first for permission:

Mr. Michael Garcia
Chairman/Environmental Director
Cuyapaipe Band of
Mission Indians
4054 Willows Road
P.O. Box 2250

Alpine, CA 91903-2250
Tel: 619-445-6315 or 619-659-1467
Fax: 619-445-9126
E-mail: mikeepa@cts.com

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Thanks Joe:

I will give them a call tommorow. Both sites are on reservation land so I will try to get a permit or permission or whatever they require.

Anyone wanting to go let me know by email at canyonair@gmail.com and I will give them a list of people going if they require it. I am usually off on Saturdays and Sundays. How does January 3rd and 4th look? or possibly January 17th and 18th?

I am guessing the recent storms have dumped snow up there so we will need for that to melt.

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No lone hikers.  What's the big deal about lone hikers?

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Only lone Ninja hikers permitted.


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What's the big deal about lone hikers?


Risk of liability, I'll bet.
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Pretty sure its an issue with safety liability. Another factor maybe the amount of pot growing going on in Cleveland National Forest area in general.


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When I was with the 163rd Fighter Squadron (CA ANG - Ontario) in the 60's, we were flying F-102's..........I believe there was an ADC radar site on Mt Laguna that was a controller for our aircraft when we were flying intercept missions off of the coast.....is that site still there???  

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I believe it is the closed (abandoned) installation on top of Stephenson Peak. Mount Laguna has many summits. Another with a lot of towers is Monument Peak.

 

Check these links for a picture of Stephenson. Does it fit the bill?

http://www.snwburd.com/bob/trip_photos/sheephead_n2_1/DSC00025.html

http://www.snwburd.com/bob/trip_photos/sheephead_n2_1/DSC00028.html

http://www.snwburd.com/bob/trip_photos/sheephead_n2_1/DSC00023.html

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Thanks, Ryan.....that's the one

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I'm really looking forward to the pictures and expedition report on this one, Mike - I have been aware of these similar accidents for years. Russ Farris

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Trying to pinpoint these, and wanted to share a naming issue.

There is a town of Mount Laguna and it is just N of Thing Valley Road.  However the only mention I can Google for a "Thing Mountain" is in the crash reports.  There is no "Thing Mountain" in the USGS.

There indeed seem to be a healthy number of Mount Lagunas in this area.  It's more like a big mesa actually with several bumps.






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