Registered: 1169060616 Posts: 108
Would you believe two planes and three pilots are still missing from WW2. They were over CONUS when lost. One landed in Mexico!!!! And the pilot wandered off, never found. It is a big country and planes ain't real big.
I agree with your theory of a lake landing, snow blowing over it (or crashed) and it sinking when Spring hit. Al
Registered: 1229033417 Posts: 10
I too have been following this still. My own opinion is its in a glacier or similar all year long snow pack area at high elevation, I live west a few hundred miles and have worked about 100 miles of the "gone missing area" and am very familiar with the mountain country here. Im not convinced of a attempt of landing or any lake landing with modern sonar equipment these days. It also has very similar conditions that of a recently found plane flying to Juneau that had been gone for 50 years or so.
Registered: 1306701950 Posts: 1
I have visited this site on and off for several years but not for the past couple of years. Something told me to check it today and what do I find? New activity. I live in Montana just a few miles south of the Canadian border. I originally got interested in this site because some of my friends from across the border told me stories, some first hand accounts some second about this wreck. Teck1 if you are still looking at Google earth, Take a look around Gold Mountain a few miles west of Grasmere British Columbia. Some of the accounts I have heard conflict on whether smoke was coming from the left or right of the aircraft but then none of the people I talked to mentioned if the plane was coming at them or going away.
Registered: 1522894193 Posts: 2
theory I’ve had is that the plane may not lie within the search zone at all. That’s happened countless times, where a missing plane or ship goes missing for decades because it simply wasn’t where people were looking.
Perhaps issues with inclement weather, instrument malfunctions, or human error caused the plane to be piloted to a place that was far outside of its flight path, where it enventually succumbed to engine failure or lack of fuel.
Maybe after pinging over Snag, the plane either didn’t turn far enough or turned too far. What are the possibilities that it was flown into the Alaskan Gulf, or continued to fly straight into the NWT or into Saskatchewan or Manitoba?
I remember reading about a Russian plane that went missing for several decades after suspected of crashing in Siberia, but was eventually found the complete opposite way in Norway. I also remember watching a special on a plane that crashed while heading to Yellowknife, but was later found sunken at the bottom of the Arctic Ocean north of Alaska. It’s weird, but plausible.
Registered: 1400510339 Posts: 16
Many pages have been removed from the AF2469 accident investigation report, including the important Balance and Weight report Form F. Where are these removed, "sensitive" pages of these reports kept?
The B&W forms have been removed in other accident investigation reports as well: in the crash reports of C-49K, Serial 43-2004, for example, these forms were removed both in the 1943 (when it went missing) and 1948 (when it was found) investigation reports. Fortunately, in the crash investigation of B-36B '075 (14Feb50), these were still there, and through this detailed summary we were able to prove their Mk IV nuke on board.... I guess I am just wasting time applying for a copy of the Form F from AF2469.....
Registered: 1165121562 Posts: 646
While form F is usually included in accident reports, it is not uncommon to not be included. I just checked the microfilm, and form F is not within the report. It is possible, they were never added to the report too.
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Registered: 1376172569 Posts: 11
Registered: 1376172569 Posts: 11
I noticed this object while searching GE. thought I would share. This is approximately 2.8 miles west-south west of Aishihik.
Registered: 1581480611 Posts: 1
Using Operation Mike's Facebook photo #14 and scrutinizing the two radio bearings given from the USAF Operation Mike report, this is what I found. I won't go into how I narrowed my search for now, but I considered numerous Nav errors (rated Navigator). The large shadow in the photo, I believe depicts a tall, narrow object. I went to the NOAA website with the date, time, and Lat/Long to determine the declination angle of the sun. Measuring the shadow with Google Earth Pro and trig TAN theta, gives a height of 14.5 ft. The C-54D tail height is 27.5 ft., and sitting on the ground may be 15-18 ft. AGL. Shadows have errors and the biggest one is where does the shadow begin? My estimate would be at most the error is 10%. That gives a height between 13-16 ft. What is VERY interesting is that due east north east of the object off the snow field is a 21 ft. "X"! I think I see other things, but I will not speculate on those now. The photos that I am attaching are dated 9/20/2002. This date is all that I could find on Google Earth Pro. Please feel free to agree or disagree.
Location is 12 nautical miles WSW Burwash Landing Airport
61º 15' 46.61" N 139º 23' 32.41" W