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gunhog11

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From the 4453rd Combat Crew Training Wing, Davis-Monthan AFB, AZ. Crashed 27 November 1970. Mostly complete site. About 40 miles southwest of Gila Bend, AZ.

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The crash was apparently on the 25th, shortly after the fatal crash of an A-7D.

A-7D and F-4C crashes Arizona 25 Nov 1970.jpg 

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Mike 
I am guessing that is on the restricted portion of the range? That site looks almost identical to the F-4 that crashed 17 Oct 77 in the devils hills area.

Walt, 
I visited the A-7D site years back and located the pilots watch. Was able to return it to his son. We have been exchanging Christmas cards ever since. 

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ChrisBaird

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I think I see a rotor blade in one photo . . . šŸ˜€
gunhog11

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Yes, deep inside R-2301E. Sits underneath A/A High/Low, west of the South TAC aux airfield at N32 27 66, W113 15 94
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Hello

  For sure its a phantom crash site, but are you sure its a "C" model?  

  I live near nellis and southern NV is a phantom graveyard.  I have been to about 20 F4 crash sites.

  On the last pic you posted ( The landing gear ) there is a tiny ring of nuts on the edge of the hub.  I have only found those only at "E" model crashes.  If you take a look at my attached pics  they are ( In order ) From an F4D, RF4C, then the last 3 are from F4E sites.  ( If you hover over the pic with your cursor the SN of the aircraft will be displayed )

  I know the "E" had a lot of changes from the "D", and IIRC the wheels were wider to accommodate for the increased take off distances / speeds required for a land based aircraft.  Maybe it has something to do with that?

  Were the engines still there?  If so the tail feathers were different from the C / D models and the E.  If you have pics please post.

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Steve
F4D 66-7617.jpg  RF4C 67-0436.jpg  F4E 67-0318.jpg  F4E 67-0367.jpg  F4E 68-0492.jpg

gunhog11

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The aircraft number is partially stamped on one of the inboard parent mounts, as well as a number of parts plates stamped as F-4C. Being a DM bird of the 4453rd (partial serial on tail), all they ever operated were C model F-4s which were eventually transferred to Luke AFB when Luke and DM traded RTU missions and DM got their A-7Ds. I can grab more pics when Iā€™m out there next week of more parts too.
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I'm going on memory here but having worked on quite a few models of the F-4 the only one that I remember having the narrow wheel was the F-4B.  I think some of the early marine RF-4B also used it.
ChrisBaird

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You're right, only the B had the narrow wheel.

F4 wheel.jpg

ThunderPigC130

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Interesting Chris

  The chart lists all F4 C/D/E as having the 30 X 11.5 wheel but that does not explain why some have the nuts on the outside of the rim and some dont.

  I have wondered about that for years, even asked a few phantom phixers but cant find an answer.


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Sorry I can't help you with the rim bolts on the wheel and I have over 20 years working on or around the phantom.  I've since read that only the last 12 RF-4B were built with the thick wing/fat tire.  One other thing I might add is that the air force fat tire wheel assembly is not interchangeable with the navy wheel, they are completely different brakes and wheels.
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