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DaveTrojan

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photo of crashed plane from Selfridge Field archives
ID type and serial # Please
no info on back of photo, it is pre March 1942 judging by meatball in the star and bar. 
I'm thinking it is AT-6, but not sure. 

Selfridge Field_0014.jpg 


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That loop antenna (rotatable RDF?) is throwing me off.   Never seen one on an AT-6.
Could it be an SBD or A-24?

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O-47.  The exhaust gave it away.  The big birdcage canopy with the DF loop is another.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/27862259@N02/tags/na/

Maybe this one?  (credit AAIR)

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I must be getting old, I missed the loop antenna. YES, it is a O-47.
Now which one?
Looks to hilly to be at the airport.
Calling AAIR,
Please check database for
O-47, based at Selfrige, crashed prior Mar 42, total wreck, ???
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The loop antenna and other straight up antenna look right (I thought that might be a tree!), I think Walt nailed it.  (pre-war)

Dauntless back windscreen is close...    So is the treatment of the tail # and insignia.   Navy?

Anyway, Dave, it looks like a T-6 at first glance, I see what you mean.

Tough one, I found nothing with the digits showing....

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Checking the AAIR database it looks like it could be this one

400901           O-47A 37-357            107OS            Romulus, MI FLEF  4          Ilgenfritz, J. IE           USA    MI            3 mi NE of Dowegiac, MI

Looks like a (FLEF) Forced Landing due to Engine Failure
more than a landing accident. 
Also the area terrain looks right

Here is a picture of O-47 type plane.

North American O 47 A.jpg 



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Sorry guys, only saw this post now. This crash has me stumped too. The accident Walt mentioned, the plane landed at an airfield and then caught fire. The one Dave posted, the plane landed in a farm field and flipped over. There were only 4 O-47 accidents in MI. One of the others was minor, and the 4th was in 1943 and on an ice covered bay.
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Craig, can you check database for O-47s home based at Selfridge Field that crashed somewhere out of state? Going through their files I noticed they had accident info on stuff that was assigned to Selfridge Field but crashed all over.  
So I'm still looking for 
O-47, based Selfridge Field, crashed pre March 1942. 
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I did, no luck. I will e-mail a list of O-47 major accidents in the US and let you go through them if you see any that look promising. While it might be a forced landing that went into the gully, it looks more like a stall/spin SSP accident to me. Also, if a pre 1941 accident, and the pilot's last name was between Bullis and Caperton, that reel is missing from the Air Forces archive, so those accidents are not in the index.
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Another unfortunate detail is the tail markings on many O-47s had nothing to do with the actual serial.
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GOT IT!
I went back to Selfridge Field and searched files. I found many more pictures of the wreck, wreck recovery, and pilot funeral. I was able to ID wreck. Here is the story...

On 11 April 1941, 2d Lt. Wilmer E. Esler, from Detroit, MI and assigned to the 107TH Observation Squadron, was killed in an air crash at Camp Beauregard’s LA airfield.  He was killed when his O–47B, ser. no. 39-96, experienced engine failure on takeoff; it reached an altitude of about 150 feet before it crashed.  Two companions were injured in the crash.  On 19 Jun. '41 the air field at Camp Beauregard was named Esler Army Airfield in his honor.  He was a 2d Lt. in 107TH Observation Squadron, Michigan National Guard, at Romulus, MI when 32D Div. mobilized on 15 Oct. '40.  

PS AAIR I have many photos for you about this.  O-47 11Apr41_0003.jpg 
O-47 11Apr41_0007.jpg 
Esler Funeral 13 14Apr41 (5).jpg 
Esler Field plaque.jpg 

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Reversed photo fixed.
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thank you
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