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AnthonyMireles

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Can someone point me to the right place?  Looking for the list of passengers and crewmember names of the Pan Am Hawaiian Clipper Martin M-130 Flying Boat NC-14714, which was lost over the Pacific on 29 July 1938?  I do have a newspaper article from 15 Sept 1938 speculating that pieces of this airplane were found in the Phillipines near Malaga.  Was this airplane found?  Will be several days before I can get to the library and the old newspaper microfilm.  Any help appreciated.  Thanks.

TonyM.

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I found a passenger/crew list at this VERY interesting website..

http://www.hawaiiclipper.com/source.htm
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I'm from Hawaii and I never heard the story that the Pan Am Hawaiian Clipper was Hijacked. This is news to me.  I've read somewhere that it crashed and was lost at sea. If they claim that the Pan Am Hawaiian Clipper aircraft survived the war and was inspected by military Technical Air Intelligence personnel there should be a record of it. I happen to be researching the topic of Technical Air Intelligence in the Pacific during WWII. I have seen the aircraft that the Japanese captured, also I've seen the aircraft that were found in Japan after the war ended. I will look into this and let you know if I find anything. Stay posted for my full report of Technical Air Intelligence coming soon.  
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Thanks for posting this.  I had found this website earlier, but I did not go far enough.  After reading a little, I was made a little uneasy by the conspiracy theory tone of the whole thing.  Hi-jacked by "renegade" Japanese officers?  To what end?  They don't make it clear why this was done.  There are no Japanese on the manifest.  An older person asked me to look into this, claiming to be related to the Fourth Officer John Wilson Jewett. 

Dave, let us know what you dig up on this.  It is a pretty weird case if this website author is to be believed.  Thanks all for the help.  I'm going to keep my hand in it.  I'll probably try to track down this book during the winter and see what it says and maybe recommend it to this old guy.  TonyM.

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Several sources cite that The Hawaii Clipper was lost without a trace east of Manila  in the Philippines on July 29, 1938, with nine crew members and six passengers aboard. it was on a flight from Guam to Manila. I do not believe the hijack story.  I will keep researching.

DaveT

 

 

I also just read that in January 1943, the Philippine Clipper was destroyed, along with everyone aboard, while on a flight from Hawaii to San Francisco. At the time of arrival in the San Francisco area, bad weather prevailed and the captain elected to fly a holding pattern until conditions improved. Unfortunately, a navigational error caused the aircraft to fly into a mountain east of San Francisco. According to some accounts, bits of the Philippine Clipper can still be found on the lonely mountainside where it crashed so many years ago. Has anyone been to this crash site??

 

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The Hawaii Clipper, originally named Hawaiian Clipper, is conducting a fuel dump test to meet federal requirements for the jettisoning of fuel to reduce weight in case of an emergency landing. This was the third and last of the M-130 models delivered to Pan American. It tragically disappeared without a trace east of Manila on July 28, 1938

Pan American developed long-range radio technology for communication and navigation. The crew’s radio officer deployed a trailing antennae, seen dangling from the Hawaii Clipper, to pick up direction finding signals and transmit information in Morse code. Signal range of radio stations installed along the route reached as far as 1,800 miles.

Coconut christening for PanAmerican Clipper. Nine-year-old Patricia Kennedy pours coconut milk on Trans-Pacific plane as she says, “I christen thee Hawaii Clipper for the American Territory of Hawaii.”

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DaveTrojan

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on 11 Jan 1938 only six months before the Hawaiian Clipper loss the Samoan Clipper crashed. To learn more read short attachment. Most likely the same thing happened to the Hawaiian Clipper.
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AnthonyMireles

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This is what I found in my archives after a quick look:

Published in the Hammond Times Newspaper on 15 September 1938:



FIND PIECES OF THE CLIPPER

MANILA, P.I., Sept. 15--(INS)
--Government and post office officials today were investigating reports
pieces of wreckage from the missing Hawaiian Clipper, which
disappeared several weeks ago, had been found near Malaga. 


Not sure if they found it for sure.  When I go to the library, I will follow up. 

TonyM.



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The story and pictures of the Philippine Clipper crash are in Wreck Chasing 1. There also used to be a display at the Ukiah FSS which is now closed, but I know the Pacific Coast Air Museum has done some work on the site a few years back. Not sure if they have a display.


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Just following up on Craig's post, the Hiller Aviation Museum in San Carlos has a huge stone monument out front with some info about the Philippine Clipper and the names of those lost. Also inside the museum they have some small items recovered from the site in a display case along with an M-130 model hanging from the ceiling.

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Found this Pan Am crash list while digging for Hawaiian Clipper info...

http://www.panamair.org/accidents/accidents.htm
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Dave...

The Philippine Clipper lost in January 1943, was chartered by the US Navy and was on an urgent mission from CINPAC to the states. I believe three US Naval officers, plus a couple of passengers (military) were on-board. The three officers had been called to an urgent meeting to discuss US sub tactics against Japanese convoy's and they were really pushing the envelope. One passenger (woman Naval personnel was on-board-she had cancer and knew she was going home to die).  I read this several years ago, so it is old memory. Don't know the location. Hope this helps.

Al Cagle
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I found the official search efforts contained in this book. The book details the search for the missing plane. They said an oil slick was found 50 miles south of the last reported position. No wreckage was found. I believe that in the absence of wreckage evidence, conspiracy theorist make up their own stories.
DaveT

Disaster in the Air,  By Edgar A. Haine, Pages 268 thru 272, preview available at

http://books.google.com/books?id=twKfXowAigIC&pg=PA268&lpg=PA268&dq=Hawaiian+Clipper+wreck&source=web&ots=Rnie_KOAxp&sig=XCAVVSXP1Po-3g9h02ZjLyEucAU&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA268,M1

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Further research:
the Hawaii Clipper incident is also mentioned in 'Flying the Oceans' by Horace Brock, published by Jason Aronson, Inc., in 1978 (ISBN 0-87668-632-3). Brock, who was scheduled to fly the aircraft from Manila, believed it went down in bad weather with the loss of all on board but mentions the rumours of Japanese involvement and also about the engines in Japan. He did not believe these rumours.
     I've checked all available research material concerning aircraft captured by the Japanese and also aircraft recovered by the U.S. after the war. There is no mention of the Martin M-130 Flying Boat NC-14714.  
     I believe the detailed description of the search and the oil slick found referenced from Disaster in the Air is the truth and the final end to the aircraft.
DaveT

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Tony,
Did you ever follow up on the Hammond Times article?
I actually have a copy of the book and the author's premise (and evidence) of deliberately encoded 'mistakes' in the last five positions transmitted is pretty interesting reading.
As far as the plane surviving the war long enough to be captured intact, that's less believable - the Japanese tried pretty hard to get rid of evidence of their war crimes (just look at how they were treating Allied POWs).

ChrisBaird

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Tony,

Here is an article with a passenger list.

The report I have (from Craig Fuller) says that an oil slick found in the crash location was determined by clinical analysis to have no connection to the airplane.   This was the location just south of the last reported position from the Clipper.

I'll see if I can find anything else...

--> Chris B.

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